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July 12, 2011



Dennis: Science is indeed limited in all the ways you suggest, and in my view, to the point where it will not be able to prove the existence of God. That's the difference between faith and science. However, by my faith, I'm not compelled to choose one over the other. God created humans (according to Genesis or by evolution--either way is fine by me) with the ability to reason and think critically. I don't have faith in science, because science is all about what can be seen and observed. I have faith in God, despite the lack of tangible evidence.



At least capitalize "Cheese".


I would be more concerned with prophecy.

Ultimately science will one day discover God. I always struggle with people that arrogantly point to "science" as the answer to everything. Where does faith come in? I asked if you knew what faith meant. You did not answer.

Hebrews 11:1 - "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Can science prove love?
Can science prove faith?
Can science prove hate?
Can science prove evil?
Can science prove hope?
Can science prove soul?

Ever notice how all dogs are basically the same? Same way with cats. Do you think they have souls?

Think humans are different?


Maybe this is His que? The Word does say He will bring us together at opportune times. He is knocking, will you open the door?

Stranger things have happened:)


Thanks, but I'll take my cues from the big cheese. I appreciate the suggestion, however.


Shirley surely you would remember the date and time.

Maybe you should think about doing so.


No. And, I'll have to look at my records.


OT may make you question your origin and creation however the NT is the only thing that matters. I am not a legalistic Jew, are you?

A better question, have you accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior?


Shirley, are you aware the book of Genesis is the most archaeologically authenticated book in the world? Through the years more skeptics have said that the places in Genesis weren't there, or didn't happen, and yet new archaeological findings are proving it true like never before.

Now regarding the Bible and science, it was the Bible that first stated that the constellation of Orion had 7 stars in its belt. Science told us that there were only 5. However, after the development of high powered telescopes they found 2 more stars! Science and the Bible are not incompatible although they may appear to be that way unless you dig a little.

Based on astronomy alone I agree with Dennis. The earth can only be 12,000 years old (give or take a few). Why? Consider the fact that the moon is moving away from the earth. It was closer a few thousand years ago. And the tidal patterns of a moon closer than that would have made all life unsustainable on earth. This is one, simple, scientific observation. I enjoy the dialogue among people that like to wrestle these issues out in the context of finding the truth, even if it may lead to the Bible being proved true. Many who cling to science these days have an anti-Bible, anti-Christian agenda. I appreciate your openness and candor.


I'm very fallible. I do more dumb things before 9:00 a.m. than most people do all day. However, I am a stickler for logic, evidence, and facts. I'm an innate critical thinker, and I view this inclination as a spiritual gift. As for your belief that a Christian must believe that the Bible is factually inerrant, we'll have to agree to disagree. There are factual contradictions in Genesis, so to me, that's a clue as to how we should view it. I don't recall Jesus spending much time convincing his disciples that the scriptures were an accurate account of history. He surely didn't mention it when asked what's most important.

Science is the process of examining and testing what can be observed. This leads to the discovery of scientific truth, which leads to the development of technologies we rely on innumerable times every day. There are simply no credible scientists who buy the idea that the earth is only 10,000 year old. If you want to believe otherwise, that's fine, but I don't have to respect that belief. I think it's silly. I'd rather an atheist surgeon apply science to repair my knee than the Christian minister. If God subjects me to eternal punishment for this, so be it. I'm not worried.

As for the Constitution, it calls for some reverence, but the authors were neither all Christian (according to your standard) nor infallible themselves. For Heaven's sake, the Constitution codified slavery. Moreover, the Constitution was written to be a living document. Just read the 4th and 5th Amendments, then tell me how to define "unreasonable" or "due process" without reference to extrinsic evidence.

I didn't vote for Obama, but I'm not of the belief that he's a Muslim, Kenyan, anti-christ, hellbent on destroying our country. The fact of the matter is that the abuse of the Constitution (i.e., the 10th Amendment) began almost 80 years ago. It's odd to me that the groundswell of 10th Amendment defenders didn't occur until Obama became the pres. It makes me wonder what motivates his attackers and the supposed defenders of the Constitution.



Believe it or not, you are not infallible.

You site the example of we "Christian-folk" picking and choosing what we find useful in science, yet you do the same to the Holy Bible. Your claim to Christianity (however admirable) is uneducated.

A true Christian believes the Holy bible to be the inspired word of God, and therefore truth. The only truth that exists. The Holy Bible is also the ONLY source of wisdom. Christianity is not measured in degrees (that's like being kinda pregnant, right?) Don't get me wrong, I am not scorning you. I am simply redirecting your faith to its source. I am not elevating myself, as I fall far short of what my Lord and Maker expects of me.

There is nothing new in this world, that has not been created by our maker.

Now I know that you are right. I believed for all of my life that men had one less rib than women. I was wrong; however, it is a known fact that a rib removed can regenerate. Just because one man had his rib removed does not mean that all men will have one fewer rib. Your continued attack on my mistaken belief that men have one less rib than women belies that you maintain a defensive position (I was called on my mistaken belief many months ago, and I admitted my mistake). Whether I speak the truth on every occasion, or not, is irrelevant as I will admit my mistakes and grow from them. I also rely on the Truth (whether I know it, or not) by referring to the Word of my Lord and Savior. You may not forgive me, but He does. I only need ask.

What was it that Jesus said about lukewarm Christians? I fear being lukewarm! Do you know what faith means (and I'm not being rhetorical)? That's simple, like the Truth. Science is complex. Science is like explaining what, or why, when nobody asked. Matters of the heart, like love and faith, need no explanation. It only matters where you place your priority.

Politically (the only reason I express myself here) I care about the Constitution. I believe that the Constitution was composed by people who's values were derived from Judeo-Christian beliefs. I believe that our country has been usurped by Communist-Socialist-atheist elements bent on the destruction of freedom and Christianity.

You disagree with me, but as a fellow Christian (that you claim to be), please have a little respect.


I'm a Christian who relies on God for love and forgiveness. However, I do not believe the Bible to me much of an authority on when the earth came to be. That's all. I'm not sold on the idea of anthropogenic climate change. At least not enough to drastically change public policy. I also don't think carbon dioxide emissions have dropped. The growth has slowed, and the lag between the emissions and any change in climate isn't so fast--at least according to those who know more than I. That's not a good argument.


Shirley surely you can answer my question.

Human output has reduced due to global recession, what is the correlating temperature drop?


Shirley: Ever heard of people such as George Washington Carver, Eli Lilly, and numerous other inventors who were good Christians, and often claimed divine inspiration as the starting gun for their contributions to progress? Whether you realize it or not, uninspired science was not the only thing that contributed to your lifestyle. Not by a long shot.


I'll rely on science for the construction of everything I own, the planes I fly in, the cars I drive, the computer I use, the medicines I ingest, and the soundness of the building in which I work. You can rely on your preacher and the bible to do these things. Good luck.


I like how science is infalliable. Especially when it comes to Scientific Racisim and Eugenics.

Bobby J.

The current global recession has reduced output.

How much has the earth cooled?


You mean the part of that book that had you convinced that women have one more rib than men? That part of the book that contains factual contradictions in the very first two books? Why rely on science every time you drive, fly, operate electronics, and thousands of other things every day but ignore it when it comes to the age of the earth? And it's really simple science?


Holy Bible.


Based on what evidence or facts?



No more than 10,000 years.


I'm with you on human-caused global warming, but how old is the earth, Dennis?


President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks.

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley.





I believe that humans would have to be pretty arrogant to believe that we could impact global climate to the extent that is claimed by these "global-warming" theorists. These are the same people that think the earth is over 5 billion years old (sounds kinda small compared to our debt, huh?). How many volcanoes have erupted in that time frame?... and we caused global warming?

I remember in the 70's we were supposed to fear the coming "Ice Age".... and they call us chicken little.

That being said, I do believe that we should conserve where it is feasible.

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