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Dennis

Ultimately this nation will split. Those that are grounded in principle and faith, and those that are not. You are watching it happen now with the "occupy Wall St" movement.

...separating the wheat from the chafe.

Please Lord, let the democrats identify with the "occupy Wall st" protests..., PLEASE. Let them put their name on it. Let this be an end to their marxist-socio-liberal ideology, better known as the enemy of you, God. Have the democrats take ownership of the vile and the evil. The sloth and the wicked. Have the democrats and the liberals suffer the misery that they deserve for destroying this once great country, founded in your name. Let the be crushed in the 2012 election, to the point that their party will never recover.

AMEN

Shirley

Reading is hard. Let me help: "You know, like marriage being spiritual, but not of Christianity (maybe like...., unicorns)." Dennis.

Rick Jones

Shirley said; "So Buddhists who consider themselves married are not?"

You are presenting that out of left field, (no pun intended); perhaps you could expand on that remark and its relevance to the previous discussion.

Btw, still glad that you are in agreement that government has no place in marriage, let people choose that for themselves with no need for official recognition or reward. Good to have you as an ally on that score.

Shirley

So Buddhists who consider themselves married are not? I'm nowhere like those goons. They have no idea even why they're there. Dennis: you need to move to a nation in which Christianity is the official religion. Try Norway.

Dennis

Rick/Powerball,

You guys are wasting your time. Shirley's like one of those folks attending the Occupy Wall street. Satisfied to exist in her own filth. You know, like marriage being spiritual, but not of Christianity (maybe like...., unicorns).

Rick Jones

Well, if that is your position then we are in agreement that government should be out of the marriage business altogether. So, there is no need for gays to bother the government for legal recognition, in our opinions, as it is, (or should be) none of the government's business. I am glad to have you on board with that.

Shirley

How? I want NO government interference or role in marriage, which is an individual and often spiritual relationship. I don't want the government involved in such decisions. Your assertion is again illogical. Try again.

Rick Jones

Shirley said, "Do you stand for freedom, or do you stand for big-government nannyism? You can't have both.".

Shirley, meet mirror.

After all, you're the one promoting MORE government involvement in private matters, not me.

Rick Jones

Shirley would be unsatisfied by any response to which she could not use in an attempt to demean the respondent. But, she is free to speak that way if that is how she wishes to live.

Shirley

This is the least logical sentence I've read in a long time: "If it is the only way a person can achieve a level of shared physical comfort it is a choice." Either way, if someone's behavior doesn't affect me, it should be legal. That's freedom. If you don't like it, move to a country that simply uses the Bible as the law of the land.

Powerball

A cognitive theory should give due diligence to both the "means" and the "end". Does the end justify the means. One must be able to explain and square their idea for it to be acceptable and bear repudiation. To ignore either of these, by splitting hairs, is again an attempt to manipulate the conversation without proper justification to both sides of the equation.
A person attempting to fool anyone this way must also know that is their aim and though they may fool everyone else in their heart they know they are deceitful since they have gone to great efforts to get to that point. In the end, that secret will always find its way to light-of-day whereby more absurdity will be required eventually disproving the original thought all on its own.
These tactics are a waste of time that shirley everyone recognize as the true form of bullying; child-play.

Shirley

So then Rick would prohibit marriage between straight folks without any ability or plans to reproduce? That sounds like a freedom-loving American. Or, Rick would prohibit two straight people from divorcing unless they satisfied Rick's standards of moral conduct? Sounds like a freedom-loving American. Do you stand for freedom, or do you stand for big-government nannyism? You can't have both.

Rick Jones

"Don't thank God, Dennis. You chose to be straight, right?"

Shirley, nice try. Straight is the norm in an evolutionary process, the default setting if you will. Gay is either a choice or a reproductive malfunction. If it is the only way a person can achieve a level of shared physical comfort it is a choice. If it is the brain directing the mating process with the intent to deliver a furtherance of the species it is a malfunction.

Rick Jones

As a society we have lost the reason that the institution of marriage was invented. And, I don't claim to be the exception, it seems to me the best answer I've heard is to make a stable family unit for child-raising. But, I wasn't around when it was formed and I really just do not know why it came about. And, if stability is at the heart of the institution that went away long ago as divorce became so common.

My point? We need to come to a new realization for the benefit of marriage to society, a reason to justify our recognizing it as special and heaping rewards on those who partake.

I see no value in extending the privilege of having society recognize a choice until we agree on why it is worth our endorsement. And, with so many failing, (and this will happen with gay marriage, man/goat marriage, woman/horse marriage or whatever), why should we give it any credence at all. A pox on all their houses, so to speak. But, that will never happen and I believe the author has it right that gays only want the ceremony to reinforce their contention that they are normal. Indoctrination works just fine for them, even if they have to force it upon the world.

And, that is the truth.

Dennis

Bobby J,

I believe that you are the only person suggesting that. you sound like a school girl.

Bobby J.

Forget about murderous wars, poverty, unemployment,fiat currency,tax rates that approach slavery, invasion of privacy and instead lets hang the gays.

God will save America if we could just get rid of all of Gods gay children.

Get a rope Paw.

Powerball

Why is it the teachers prerogative to hang a poster of homosexuals kissing but not a depiction of Christ?
Would the boy have been expelled if he found offense with a picture of Christ hanging in his classroom?
No, that's never happened, the teacher would have been suspended.

So whose fooling who?

Ones sexual preference is not a choice. If it were one could just as easily change back again. Why would we want to spend our time and money to have it declared that one has changed from being a man to being a woman or vise versa unless there is large benefit of fees to society to have it recorded.

I do believe there is a deviation in makeup of some people that causes them to be attracted to the same sex. Addisons disease, which affects the cortex of the adrenal gland, can cause a deformation of sexual characteristics at birth. These people must also take and adjust cortisone intake because their bodies do not produce it. Cortisone is addictive, should these people be considered addicts? Of course not, but some may find the need to call them so, for lack of understanding, in order to promote some sort of war on drugs. In the same breath, there is no need to celebrate them either. If they think they need celebration, they are actually crying for counseling.

To think any of this is a choice is a misunderstanding and representation of prejudice just like thinking one choses to be black, white, red, or yellow. It is a baited question with no place in the conversation.

Shirley

Don't thank God, Dennis. You chose to be straight, right?

Dennis

I don't get it. For the most part homosexuals aren't even religious. So why do they want to infect the sanctity of marriage? I am repulsed at the thought of homosexual acts; however, recognizing that America is still a nation of freedom I do not think that homosexuality should be illegal.

A persons perspective of how American morals (at least we used to have some) relate to their faith should dictate how they vote. I personally would vote against gay "marriage". Our federal government should have no say in this matter, as it is a state issue.

I will not lose sleep over this as, thank God, I am not gay.

greeley

My kid would not be sitting in that class room. Ugh, makes me want to gag.....

Shirley

You'll gain your first point of credibility on the issue of gay marriage as soon as you advocate limiting the freedoms of those who are gluttons, those who lust, and those who are greedy. Ours is not a system based on one group's concept of morality vs. another's. It is a system based on freedom. You say you're for freedom, but you are not. Just start telling the truth. You say you're for truth too. Are you?

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