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January 11, 2012

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Powerball

Bobby J.
Thanks for your attention and references you provided. I'm not sure where in my ramblings you sense I don't understand the root of the problem when I actually thinks its rot; decay. That seems perfectly inline with Mises.
What I'm trying to impress about Romney is that I feel he has the right to capitalism just like anyone else. Some are just more ruthless about it than others. We have always had those kinds of people in our society and many of them have become very successful creating important American businesses that have contributed greatly to our upward mobility. One such person was Andrew Carnegie, and poor Irish immigrant, who was leader in the ascent of America's iron and steel industry. He became the richest man in the world, but many people suffered durning that time. While he was worth millions, his workers worked 80 hr. weeks for $10 per week. During that time period Carnegie hired a private police force, the Pinkertons, to break-up strikers picket lines. All under the nose of our government.
The point of all this is if Romney wants to hail his time at Bain Capital as free market capitalism, that's fine, but how does one simply turn that sort of mentality off to become the leader of all Americans and govern a fair playing field. Look at Obama. He said he was about Hope and Change and yet he curses wall street and at the same time pads their pockets so there are friendly reserves for his campaign coffers. He has his feet in two separate buckets, just like Romney, but they both think the American people are to dumb to see it.
Look, Santorum was asked if he supported covert killing of Iran's scientists. He seemed to want to say yes, but didn't answer the question. But what say you? If a few of Iran's scientists were killed, stopping them from developing a weapon, wouldn't that be better than killing thousands of inocents by bombing Iran? Of course that makes sense. But when Presidents are confronted with assasination of other national leaders, their answer is no. They would rather send our sons to war that face assasination themselves. so we send our sons to war over makings they had no control over.
To make a long story short, what I'm saying is I want Obama out of office as much as anyone, but the American people have been screwed for so long, the bottom is beginning to look like up. If Romney is elected we're in for four more years of the other side of the same coin Obama is on. We now know the country can't sustain the financial madness much longer. So instead of extending it for four more years under a RINO and then another four more under another socialist, just stop it now! It can't go on. Obama will fail and it all will come tumbling down, but isn't that better than wishing our kids lives away waiting for an honest broker for the American people or having a revolution and killing one another.
We have other options in this election, but the powers that be don't want us to have a choice. They want Romney. Screw them. They will give us our say or bear the pain with us.
Now how is that not sound reasoning?

Powerball

My comments aren't being posted either, but I have it saved and will try later.

Bobby J.

PowerBall,
I understand you angst, however I think you do not have full comprehension of the root.

Read these 2 quotes by Mises and get back to me.

“The sound-money principle has two aspects. It is affirmative in approving the market's choice of a commonly used medium of exchange. It is negative in obstructing the government's propensity to meddle with the currency system.”

“It is impossible to grasp the meaning of the idea of sound money if one does not realize that it was devised as an instrument for the protection of civil liberties against despotic inroads on the part of governments. Ideologically it belongs in the same class with political constitutions and bills of right.”

The following article should open your thinking.

http://mises.org/daily/5802

Bobby J.

Not sure why my last post was deleted? Every time I get to the heart of the matter, my posts start disappearing, regardless of venue. I will try a shorter version. Read this article to get a better understanding of the game that is being played. Obamney indeed.

http://lewrockwell.com/berwick/berwick28.1.html

Powerball

Why don't you spend some time and study how Cleisthenes brought democracy to early Greece.
Maybe there you find some respect for the concept.

Powerball

Tisk Tisk.
You have enough gas for the both of us.

Shirley

Let's try this. I don't want you filling my empty tank. It's really tough to understand the analogy, but try.

Powerball

"In the absence of monopolies, I don't trust you to regulate the free market."

What the hell kind of moronic statement is that?
FREE MARKETS ARE NOT REGULATED YOU FOOL!

Powerball

What truths? As if there is just one option. That is the problem with the electorate today; they have such little trust unless leadership points them in one direction or another with some vague for-sure promise. Since 1917, under the Pesidency of Woodrow Wilson, 95 years ago, it has been a game of ping-pong between progressive capitalists and progressive liberals. The average American is loosing in that battle. The banking crisis and TARP was supported by both these groups. Obama and McCain both suspended their campaigns to rush back to Washington to vote you the average American down and money and power for their sides in!
Oh, but you won't pay for it. I'm sure you're both more than half through your financially productive years and know its your children and grandchildren that will pay that price for you. The gig is up; it's time for a change. Stop this gnashing of teeth. Take a stand against business as usual in Washington. If you would but look there are other options. If Romney doesn't do well in S.C. Paul, Gingrich, Huntsman, or Santorum (sp) could fill the void. There have been no real debates yet. Just postured questions and the candidates have only given us their bio's. I want to know what their plan would be to turn the country around.
You don't think it's a monopoly at play when Romney had Bear-Stern rate companies he had acquired at a high rating only to ensnare other unwitting investors and then sell Bain's shares leaving those investors high and dry? Perhaps the better term would be insider trading, but he sure did seem to have the "monopoly" of the knowledge over the investors and left them and anyone else holding the bag. What if your company had done contract work on any of Bain's holdings? You're either a fool to think you could have withstood it or your a plague waiting to happen yourself. I really hated that statement of yours and here's some spit in you eye! €
And that's the truth!

Bobby J.

They are both Satinist, who cares.

Shirley

Dennis speaks the truth here.

Dennis

So don't vote for Romney. What's the big deal? That will just guarantee an obama victory. There you go. Just don't bitch to me about obama after that.

I don't like Romney either, but I WILL NOT TOLERATE ANOTHER obama TERM!

either way we're screwed

Shirley

Romney exercised no monopoly power. And in the absence of monopolies, I don't trust you to regulate the free market.

Powerball

The millions Mitt made through Bain is an example of capitalism at work, but capitalism can also be conducted without employee victims or on the backs of other smaller business, contractors and suppliers, who are written off in bankruptcy. Capitalism is an exercise in caveat emptor, buyer beware, but this country was not made great by allowing individuals to rape the system, but rather by a system wherein honesty, hard work, and invovation of people with ideas and drive had a "chance" chance to prosper. Perhaps Shirley you should read what Roosevelt and the congress thought and did to J. Pierpont Morgan. The idea of Romney becoming president would be the peak of monopoly power. What do you think TARP was about?? It wasn't to bailout the poor; they lost their homes, jobs, and went into debt unto their children and grandchildren.
Capitalists like Mitt Romney are precisely who gives a pulpit to men like Obama. They are exactly the opposite sides of the same coin!
Obama would love it if Romney became the Republican nomination. That would immediately put Obamanon the offense; they are one and the same except Romney is for the very rich. Those that know how to manipulate banks, business, and wall street while Obama supposes he's for the poor. How would Romney ever draw a comparison?? He couldn't, Obama would continually confuse the debate because, again, Romney is simply the other side of the coin. That debate would be a draw. The viewer would be left to decide who seemed more appealing. Mitt does not have the charisma to win that one.

Shirley

Absurd. More than a billion dollars will be spent by supporters of Obama seeking to defeat Romney. Similarly, supporters of Romney will spend nearly a billion to defeat Obama. To suggest that there is no difference between Romney and Obama is to claim that those spending the billions are either fools or spend for sport.

Many of the same arguments were made against GW Bush. Equally absurd. Do you think there's no difference between Roberts/Alito and Sotomayor/Kagan?

Mitt made millions with Bain. Good for him. The millions he made were the product of voluntary transactions in a market.

Powerball

Here's the video released today about Mitt Romney and his tenure at Bain Capital.
Throughout history America has had entrenched Wall Streeters close to running government. Look at people like J. Pierpont Morgan, a legendary banker and wheeler-dealer along with Andrew Carnegie, who ascended Americas iron and steel business. 
After watching this video ask yourself why Romney won't address questions about his involvement at Bain Capital and also watch to see if he sidesteps a debate with Newt Gingrich. If Romney says no to both and continues to climb in the polls look at the RINO's surrounding him, like John McCain. There you will get a glimpse into the future of America for the next four years and can plan accordingly should Mitt be elected. 
That will be just the other side of the coin from Obamanation!
Nothing more.


http://www.webcasts.com/kingofbain/

Shirley

Which powerful Mormon political machine? The one that supports Harry Reid? John Huntsman? Mitt Romney?

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